Originally Posted by TylerDurden
I just finished reading an archive of *****'s old posts, which I downloaded
before he removed it (please do not email me asking for it)
Looking at this guys' process, and that of ***** *'s and many other guys, I am
reminded that most guys on this chatboard DO believe that they are ABOVE the
PUA transition process. That's just my impression, which I can't know having
not met everyone.
The reason I get that impression, which may be totally wrong, is that I don't
see guys posting their sticking points or even posting things that indicate
what SPECIFIC things they're working on IMPLEMENTING into their game.
IMO, a good PUA has the "that goes in" type mentality. Like they can read
something, and immediately figure where it could possibly fit into their game.
Their game is like a D&D character, or a racecar in Grand Turismo. It has all
these elements you've added, and you can modify it and restructure it and
rebuild it.
Picking up and having sex with RANDOM girls from COLD APPROACHES is a fucking
HARD skillset to learn. There's so much to it.
Learning it is like playing a videogame without a "save" feature. I remember
playing Aliens vs Predator, and it had no "save" feature. I'd get closer and
closer to the end of the fifth level, but would fall short. Eventually, I
learned where EVERY possible alien could jump out, and even how to beat the
predators at the end of the level. Once I did it once though, I could do it
over and over, because I was familiar with everything that could come up in the
level.
Most guys on *** don't realize how HARD it is to lay high calibre girls from a
cold approachs on a consistent basis. There's so much to deal with ->
cockblocks, time constraints, boyfriends, working in and attracting but SOMEHOW
still not setting off her anti-slut defense, dealing with flaking, dealing with
her coming out of state, dealing with getting her home.
Guys will post "sex is natural, there's 7 billion people on this earth"...
BZZZZZZT!! FALLACY! How many of those lays come from cold approaches? Most
come from social circle. Give me ANY, and I mean ANY chick in a social circle,
and I'll run an extremely high chance of sleeping with her within 3 meets, and
probably the FIRST. Especially if I had an accomplishment intro from the
group. Like if I failed it would actually be a surprise to me (and it has been
when I have failed, of course). So that stuff is easy. Big deal. Doing it
from cold approach is totally different.
Anyway, that's just my opinion. And off the top of my head, here are a few
elements that guys could work on to develop a game where they can just see a
random girl, and be so outstanding that it still goes. Like not just a good
enjoyable set, but something that LEADS somewhere.
PROCESS:
-Going out 4 days a week, minimum, for at least 2 hours a night, preferably 3
or 4. You are more comfortable in a club talking to strangers, than you are in
everyday life.
-Internalizing a new peice of material every night, and "ranging" it (figuring
out at what buying temperature it is most effective, and figuring out the
sequencing)
-Learning a tight REPEATABLE 20 minute sequence that can work EVERY TIME, from
opener to #close
-Doing vocal change work, to learn to project your voice properly and to weild
a range in tonality that makes everything sound $$$ (this is an INSTANTLY
attractive quality to girls, both with fluctuation, resonation in the frontage
areas and in the chest - depending on whether you're running a set or phase
shifting)
-Learning to #close and practising phone game every day -> calling at least one
chick a day, even a flake, and running a good half hour of phone game on her
-Learning to venue change every girl that you approach, until you can convince
90%+ of girls to at least lock arms with you french promenade style, and move
somewhere else in the club with you, or go to another store in the mall, etc..
Basically practising venue changing every girl you game, until you know the
buying signs that she'll agree to it
-Learning to phase shift, by attempting to tongue down every single girl that
you approach, until you have all of the slow down sexual projection stuff down
tight, and possibly a routine such as the Evolution Phase shift or "I'm trying
so hard not to kiss you right now" or "Would you like to kiss me" or something
like that
-Learning to get permission to isolate your desired girl from their friends,
until you can consistently isolate
-***Writing down EVERY single funny thing that you ever said in a pickup, so
that you can attempt to re-use it later, until you have a wealth of humour that
goes so deep that you can keep a girl laughing for a good 10 hours if
necessary, and having enough stories about your life that WORK (ie: ALL the
sequencing is worked out), and games and routines, to last 10 hours
-Testing every conversational split, until you find one that works for you.
Does it work best at 80% you talking and 20% her, or 50/50, or what?
Determining what types of girls will be more receptive to which type.
-"Ranging" all kino tricks, until you learn to run kino like a pro.
-Having a game plan for every self esteem level of girl, and personality
profile, so that you can calibrate instantly
-Reading Art of Seduction by Robert Greene, and identifying what seducer
persona you could best adopt, and calibrating your material to be congruent
with that image. Working out things that you'll say and do that make you STAND
OUT.
-Alternating BETWEEN pickup styles. Like after developing a perfect 20 minute
set, THROW IT OUT and go totally IMPROV. Then once you're as good as you can
get with that, go back to your perfect 20 minute set, and watch how much
tighter its evolved. Then drop it a few months later. And then go back again a
few months later.
-Creating an IMAGE. Are you an insurance salesman? FUCK NO. What bullshit
image will you create? *LIE*. Ignore the guys who say not to, all the best
PUAs are doing it -> peer pressure, peer pressure.... don't you want to be a
cool PUA??? Have all the logistics worked out, and a GOOD story. Be something
EXCITING. If you don't want to lie, come up with some lesser aspect of your
life to focus on, that's EXCITING. I remember being in NYC, and I blew off
this girl I thought was a 7. Papa got her #, and website. She was a MODEL.
And when I saw her website, I was like "OMG, this girl is fucking HOT, yo"
Imagine a girl going home and looking at some crazy-ass website that makes you
seem all status. Like she doesn't plan to see you again, but she checks out
your personal website and it has all this incredible shit on it. And she shows
her friends and they talk about it, until she WORKS HERSELF into liking you.
*******'s ************** site is like that. Part of Twentysix
making his REAL life congruent with his PICKUP life, is eventually creating a
website that he can show girls. Same goes for me. That's why I named my
website www.realsocialdynamics.com, and not ************ - so that within
a year I can CLEAN IT UP, and then show it to girls with a "social dynamics"
spin on it.
-Getting clothes that make you look like you're a "Secret Society Member".
Even if not peacocking, something that makes you look CONFIDENT and fucking
COOL.
-Going to the gym, getting tanned if you need it, getting the best haircut.
Why? To DE-ANCHOUR all of your AFC self-images. The new look changes your
perspective, and fucks with all the people who treat you AFC. The black dress
shoes with jeans or slacks and button shirt or polo shirt suck shit. MAKE YOUR
PICKUP LIFE CONGRUENT WITH YOUR EVERYDAY LIFE. Don't even leave the house
without looking $$$, UNLESS you have no problem doing approaches like that,
because you want to INTERNALIZE that you're a 10. You want your thought
process "go go go", not "umm, how's my breath.. how's my clothes.. how's my
hair?? ok let's go" You want it on AUTO PILOT.
-***Looking at ALL your tendencies that are insecure and trying to drop them
(fuck, I've fixed 90% of mine, and STILL have this SP)
-Getting a social circle so that you can invite out your dates with friends,
instead of having to do 1-on-1 dates, that younger girls won't want to do,
since most have never been on a date in their ENTIRE LIFE. They want to just
go out and get drunk and fuck guys in their social circle. BE their social
circle, by merging yours with theirs.
-Testing high energy vs low energy pickup styles. Learning HOW low you can go.
Learning HOW high you can go, without blowing yourself out.
-Having a solution for EVERY contingency. If a chick said something and you
fucked up, you go onto the chatboard and post about it, or call your friends,
or think of something, and make a mental note to try it next time. There
should be NO contingency that you aren't prepared for. NO shot that she takes
at you that you can't dodge.
-Sitting at home writing new material to field test. Thinking about your life,
and thinking of how to spin it into a routine that' easy to remember.
-Writing down QUALITIES that you want to convey, and then thinking of WAYS to
convey them. You want to convey that you're ambitious? How will you do that?
You want to convey that the party is with YOU? How will you do that?
-For loner guys, getting FEMALE FRIENDS to HANG OUT with, so that they learn to
interact with women. LIE, and say you have a girlfriend you love. For lonely
guys without a single female friend, if you can't get one I'd even try saying
that you're gay, just so they'll hang with you (I mean if you've tried
everything else). Do whatever it takes, because if you can't chill with a girl
then you're in deep trouble.
-Finding a SOCIAL CIRCLE. That means that if you don't have a WIDE peer group,
you could consider disqualifying yourself with groups of girls you game on,
just to get into their LIVES. Like just go and get into the social groups of
girls, and then that way once in a while a girl from the outer fringes of their
group will go out with you, and you'll have a CLEAR SHOT at her, with no
cockblocks and even accomplishment intros. Have you guys ever noticed the DUMB
LOOKS that girls from the fringes of your social circle get to meet you for the
first time at a party or get together or something? It's like they're sizing
you up to decide if they'll fuck you, before you've even opened your mouth.
One of my girlfriends got pissed at me while I was on workshop tour last
summer, and decided to go slut-style. She slept with FOUR guys over the
summer. This is a cute chick. Do you think it was RANDOMS from cold
approaches? Hell no. It was guys that she met through her socially popular
friend. Every time. They'd meet her at the bar, hang out, get her drunk, and
bring her home and fuck her - no resistance from the friends. If you could
pull off a few lays like that, your confidence will go up and you'll get both
momentum and end game experience.
-Having a GOOD Day2 plan. A perfect repeatable day2.
-Having a GOOD home endgame plan. Do you have homevideos you can show her?
What's your reason to bring her home? What do you have lying around to impress
her? What do you have at home to entertain her if you need to stall? What
alcohol or other stuff do you have at home to get her there if she needs to get
fucked up in order to not feel like a slut?
-FIELD FIELD FIELD.. non-stop.
That's all I can think of.
A long list. But it isn't MEANT to be done in a month. It's meant to take 2
years, roughly.
A REAL PUA should be worrying about this stuff non-stop.
For me to maintain tight level game is like being an olympic athlete. If I let
this shit slide, I'm toast. Look at *****. In all his posts, he's
trying to work through a sticking point, every time he's on the board. He's
looking for a solution to EVERY contingency.
NOBODY is above this process. If you're not doing this stuff, you're TREADING
WATER.
Good fun to all bros!
-TD
before he removed it (please do not email me asking for it)
Looking at this guys' process, and that of ***** *'s and many other guys, I am
reminded that most guys on this chatboard DO believe that they are ABOVE the
PUA transition process. That's just my impression, which I can't know having
not met everyone.
The reason I get that impression, which may be totally wrong, is that I don't
see guys posting their sticking points or even posting things that indicate
what SPECIFIC things they're working on IMPLEMENTING into their game.
IMO, a good PUA has the "that goes in" type mentality. Like they can read
something, and immediately figure where it could possibly fit into their game.
Their game is like a D&D character, or a racecar in Grand Turismo. It has all
these elements you've added, and you can modify it and restructure it and
rebuild it.
Picking up and having sex with RANDOM girls from COLD APPROACHES is a fucking
HARD skillset to learn. There's so much to it.
Learning it is like playing a videogame without a "save" feature. I remember
playing Aliens vs Predator, and it had no "save" feature. I'd get closer and
closer to the end of the fifth level, but would fall short. Eventually, I
learned where EVERY possible alien could jump out, and even how to beat the
predators at the end of the level. Once I did it once though, I could do it
over and over, because I was familiar with everything that could come up in the
level.
Most guys on *** don't realize how HARD it is to lay high calibre girls from a
cold approachs on a consistent basis. There's so much to deal with ->
cockblocks, time constraints, boyfriends, working in and attracting but SOMEHOW
still not setting off her anti-slut defense, dealing with flaking, dealing with
her coming out of state, dealing with getting her home.
Guys will post "sex is natural, there's 7 billion people on this earth"...
BZZZZZZT!! FALLACY! How many of those lays come from cold approaches? Most
come from social circle. Give me ANY, and I mean ANY chick in a social circle,
and I'll run an extremely high chance of sleeping with her within 3 meets, and
probably the FIRST. Especially if I had an accomplishment intro from the
group. Like if I failed it would actually be a surprise to me (and it has been
when I have failed, of course). So that stuff is easy. Big deal. Doing it
from cold approach is totally different.
Anyway, that's just my opinion. And off the top of my head, here are a few
elements that guys could work on to develop a game where they can just see a
random girl, and be so outstanding that it still goes. Like not just a good
enjoyable set, but something that LEADS somewhere.
PROCESS:
-Going out 4 days a week, minimum, for at least 2 hours a night, preferably 3
or 4. You are more comfortable in a club talking to strangers, than you are in
everyday life.
-Internalizing a new peice of material every night, and "ranging" it (figuring
out at what buying temperature it is most effective, and figuring out the
sequencing)
-Learning a tight REPEATABLE 20 minute sequence that can work EVERY TIME, from
opener to #close
-Doing vocal change work, to learn to project your voice properly and to weild
a range in tonality that makes everything sound $$$ (this is an INSTANTLY
attractive quality to girls, both with fluctuation, resonation in the frontage
areas and in the chest - depending on whether you're running a set or phase
shifting)
-Learning to #close and practising phone game every day -> calling at least one
chick a day, even a flake, and running a good half hour of phone game on her
-Learning to venue change every girl that you approach, until you can convince
90%+ of girls to at least lock arms with you french promenade style, and move
somewhere else in the club with you, or go to another store in the mall, etc..
Basically practising venue changing every girl you game, until you know the
buying signs that she'll agree to it
-Learning to phase shift, by attempting to tongue down every single girl that
you approach, until you have all of the slow down sexual projection stuff down
tight, and possibly a routine such as the Evolution Phase shift or "I'm trying
so hard not to kiss you right now" or "Would you like to kiss me" or something
like that
-Learning to get permission to isolate your desired girl from their friends,
until you can consistently isolate
-***Writing down EVERY single funny thing that you ever said in a pickup, so
that you can attempt to re-use it later, until you have a wealth of humour that
goes so deep that you can keep a girl laughing for a good 10 hours if
necessary, and having enough stories about your life that WORK (ie: ALL the
sequencing is worked out), and games and routines, to last 10 hours
-Testing every conversational split, until you find one that works for you.
Does it work best at 80% you talking and 20% her, or 50/50, or what?
Determining what types of girls will be more receptive to which type.
-"Ranging" all kino tricks, until you learn to run kino like a pro.
-Having a game plan for every self esteem level of girl, and personality
profile, so that you can calibrate instantly
-Reading Art of Seduction by Robert Greene, and identifying what seducer
persona you could best adopt, and calibrating your material to be congruent
with that image. Working out things that you'll say and do that make you STAND
OUT.
-Alternating BETWEEN pickup styles. Like after developing a perfect 20 minute
set, THROW IT OUT and go totally IMPROV. Then once you're as good as you can
get with that, go back to your perfect 20 minute set, and watch how much
tighter its evolved. Then drop it a few months later. And then go back again a
few months later.
-Creating an IMAGE. Are you an insurance salesman? FUCK NO. What bullshit
image will you create? *LIE*. Ignore the guys who say not to, all the best
PUAs are doing it -> peer pressure, peer pressure.... don't you want to be a
cool PUA??? Have all the logistics worked out, and a GOOD story. Be something
EXCITING. If you don't want to lie, come up with some lesser aspect of your
life to focus on, that's EXCITING. I remember being in NYC, and I blew off
this girl I thought was a 7. Papa got her #, and website. She was a MODEL.
And when I saw her website, I was like "OMG, this girl is fucking HOT, yo"
Imagine a girl going home and looking at some crazy-ass website that makes you
seem all status. Like she doesn't plan to see you again, but she checks out
your personal website and it has all this incredible shit on it. And she shows
her friends and they talk about it, until she WORKS HERSELF into liking you.
*******'s ************** site is like that. Part of Twentysix
making his REAL life congruent with his PICKUP life, is eventually creating a
website that he can show girls. Same goes for me. That's why I named my
website www.realsocialdynamics.com, and not ************ - so that within
a year I can CLEAN IT UP, and then show it to girls with a "social dynamics"
spin on it.
-Getting clothes that make you look like you're a "Secret Society Member".
Even if not peacocking, something that makes you look CONFIDENT and fucking
COOL.
-Going to the gym, getting tanned if you need it, getting the best haircut.
Why? To DE-ANCHOUR all of your AFC self-images. The new look changes your
perspective, and fucks with all the people who treat you AFC. The black dress
shoes with jeans or slacks and button shirt or polo shirt suck shit. MAKE YOUR
PICKUP LIFE CONGRUENT WITH YOUR EVERYDAY LIFE. Don't even leave the house
without looking $$$, UNLESS you have no problem doing approaches like that,
because you want to INTERNALIZE that you're a 10. You want your thought
process "go go go", not "umm, how's my breath.. how's my clothes.. how's my
hair?? ok let's go" You want it on AUTO PILOT.
-***Looking at ALL your tendencies that are insecure and trying to drop them
(fuck, I've fixed 90% of mine, and STILL have this SP)
-Getting a social circle so that you can invite out your dates with friends,
instead of having to do 1-on-1 dates, that younger girls won't want to do,
since most have never been on a date in their ENTIRE LIFE. They want to just
go out and get drunk and fuck guys in their social circle. BE their social
circle, by merging yours with theirs.
-Testing high energy vs low energy pickup styles. Learning HOW low you can go.
Learning HOW high you can go, without blowing yourself out.
-Having a solution for EVERY contingency. If a chick said something and you
fucked up, you go onto the chatboard and post about it, or call your friends,
or think of something, and make a mental note to try it next time. There
should be NO contingency that you aren't prepared for. NO shot that she takes
at you that you can't dodge.
-Sitting at home writing new material to field test. Thinking about your life,
and thinking of how to spin it into a routine that' easy to remember.
-Writing down QUALITIES that you want to convey, and then thinking of WAYS to
convey them. You want to convey that you're ambitious? How will you do that?
You want to convey that the party is with YOU? How will you do that?
-For loner guys, getting FEMALE FRIENDS to HANG OUT with, so that they learn to
interact with women. LIE, and say you have a girlfriend you love. For lonely
guys without a single female friend, if you can't get one I'd even try saying
that you're gay, just so they'll hang with you (I mean if you've tried
everything else). Do whatever it takes, because if you can't chill with a girl
then you're in deep trouble.
-Finding a SOCIAL CIRCLE. That means that if you don't have a WIDE peer group,
you could consider disqualifying yourself with groups of girls you game on,
just to get into their LIVES. Like just go and get into the social groups of
girls, and then that way once in a while a girl from the outer fringes of their
group will go out with you, and you'll have a CLEAR SHOT at her, with no
cockblocks and even accomplishment intros. Have you guys ever noticed the DUMB
LOOKS that girls from the fringes of your social circle get to meet you for the
first time at a party or get together or something? It's like they're sizing
you up to decide if they'll fuck you, before you've even opened your mouth.
One of my girlfriends got pissed at me while I was on workshop tour last
summer, and decided to go slut-style. She slept with FOUR guys over the
summer. This is a cute chick. Do you think it was RANDOMS from cold
approaches? Hell no. It was guys that she met through her socially popular
friend. Every time. They'd meet her at the bar, hang out, get her drunk, and
bring her home and fuck her - no resistance from the friends. If you could
pull off a few lays like that, your confidence will go up and you'll get both
momentum and end game experience.
-Having a GOOD Day2 plan. A perfect repeatable day2.
-Having a GOOD home endgame plan. Do you have homevideos you can show her?
What's your reason to bring her home? What do you have lying around to impress
her? What do you have at home to entertain her if you need to stall? What
alcohol or other stuff do you have at home to get her there if she needs to get
fucked up in order to not feel like a slut?
-FIELD FIELD FIELD.. non-stop.
That's all I can think of.
A long list. But it isn't MEANT to be done in a month. It's meant to take 2
years, roughly.
A REAL PUA should be worrying about this stuff non-stop.
For me to maintain tight level game is like being an olympic athlete. If I let
this shit slide, I'm toast. Look at *****. In all his posts, he's
trying to work through a sticking point, every time he's on the board. He's
looking for a solution to EVERY contingency.
NOBODY is above this process. If you're not doing this stuff, you're TREADING
WATER.
Good fun to all bros!
-TD
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